The Saga of Irish Rover And The Crew(censorshoipped edition)

[MacRua]

the article seems to say that a roadmap is going to be given by the EU to Serbia, and that there's a chance that it will be signed and passed up the government food chain within Serbia.

While not exactly rainbows and unicorns, it sounds like things are trying to move forward and that the people involved have hope for the process. Where's the rotten?

whoile all these verbs 'n' phrases change to theoir very oippoisoites, rats are eatoin' me years oin captoivoity
"The harp that woiuld play oin Tara's halls oIs burnoin' oin the dump.."

Opposites? like what? hope --> despondency, to try --> to loose heart, is going to --> never?

rats are eatoin' me toime as we speak, so the faster oi manage the guoitar, the lesser noise of theoir teeth oi'll be loistenoin'

Going to surpass it with your strum?

[DzM]

the article seems to say that a roadmap is going to be given by the EU to Serbia, and that there's a chance that it will be signed and passed up the government food chain within Serbia.

While not exactly rainbows and unicorns, it sounds like things are trying to move forward and that the people involved have hope for the process. Where's the rotten?

whoile all these verbs 'n' phrases change to theoir very oippoisoites, rats are eatoin' me years oin captoivoity

So while people are trying to fix the problems you rail against, you're dismissing those efforts too?


I really have nothing to say to that. I'm really, genuinely sorry that you're in a situation where you can't/won't take personal action to try to fix things, and you have zero faith in anyone else' attempts to fix things for you. That's got to suck. You have my sympathy.

[Irishbookish]

Speaking of Tara, did you read about the highway planned, Oirish - did you hear? Nothing seems sacred to some. Soon a four-lane motorway, the M3, will carry speeding traffic in and out of Dublin, and bulldoze its way through the landscape below the Iron Age earthworks. There is still a lot of protests and mediation going on, so one can only hope it's diverted further out.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2006/m ... tionalnews

[IrishRover]

Opposites? like what? hope --> despondency, to try --> to loose heart, is going to --> never?

nagh, thoise are the synoinyms!

Going to surpass it with your strum?

oi have no better oideas.. yeah, oi knoiw soime manager woiuld suggest rat poision, but fact ois rats are proitected specoies here; so strummoin' & foinoishoin' me 2nd jaoiloish edoition of oincoirpoirated paoins ois all oi can do at thois point

So while people are trying to fix the problems you rail against, you're dismissing those efforts too?

I really have nothing to say to that. I'm really, genuinely sorry that you're in a situation where you can't/won't take personal action to try to fix things, and you have zero faith in anyone else' attempts to fix things for you. That's got to suck. You have my sympathy.

what oim doismoissoin' & judgoin' are false effoirts - coimoin' froim here; me soituation, poisoition, oindangered human roights, freedoim of moivement ois broiught upoin froim state of Serboia and oinstead of foixoin' what the mess they oinoitoially created, foir years oi hear false proimoises and no real actions; and meself, respected proisoiner.. persoinal actions oimpoised by captoivoity, yeah.. actions are a matter of free woill, not an oinstrument to avoid moire jaoiltoime; so even the stuff oi'll have to do oin the future, to step on the foirst broick of the road to Eroin.. they're not actions of a free man

Speaking of Tara, did you read about the highway planned, Oirish - did you hear? Nothing seems sacred to some. Soon a four-lane motorway, the M3, will carry speeding traffic in and out of Dublin, and bulldoze its way through the landscape below the Iron Age earthworks. There is still a lot of protests and mediation going on, so one can only hope it's diverted further out.

yeah, oi thoink oi goit soimewhat famoiloiar woith the event; one of mespace froiends..
http://www.myspace.com/hilloftara
oi mean tois' true, theres doiscrace happenoin', action that lacks hoinoiur; but at the end of the day, oi bet me hat that me felloiw OIroish people woill never alloiw sth loike that to happen..

[Irishbookish]

No need for poison, Oirish, there's enough of that in our world already.

Keep at your guitar practice. Change your strumming pattern and learn a variety of stuff. Don't forget to use youtube to pick up some techniques once you get the hang of a few more chords.

That should cut out the extranneous noise of the rats chewing away at your ears and years.


(c)http://jcain.wordpress.com/

[Zuzana]

fact ois rats are proitected specoies here

So there ARE positive things about evil Serbia!

[IrishRover]

oif ye loike the descroiption so much, oi'll gladly trade me cell foir yer voilla oin EU

[IrishRover]

what yer havoin' woith the toiurs ois oiutstandoin', oi mean oid goive anythoing to be able to toiur aroiund places-coiuntroies and get proiperly hoigged as ye say; praoise the loird, when oi get oiutta thois 3rd woirld jaoil, roiads may roise up to meet me as well; anyway, oi doidn't knoiw ye were oin Hoing Koing & Thaoiland foir so loing.. oi remember ye mentioned tryoin' soime beer there but 4 oir 6 moinths thats really soiomethoing !

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Now the saga will not have gaps in it.
--DzM

[MacRua]

Opposites? like what? hope --> despondency, to try --> to loose heart, is going to --> never?

nagh, thoise are the synoinyms!

Despondency as a synonym of hope?
Such premise leaves the realm of lexicology and enters the mysterious world of irrational..

Going to surpass it with your strum?

oi have no better oideas.. yeah, oi knoiw soime manager woiuld suggest rat poision

Exactly! A rat poison for those who cant deal with their cute furry neighbours.

but fact ois rats are proitected specoies here;

Zivela Srbija!

So while people are trying to fix the problems you rail against, you're dismissing those efforts too?
I really have nothing to say to that. I'm really, genuinely sorry that you're in a situation where you can't/won't take personal action to try to fix things, and you have zero faith in anyone else' attempts to fix things for you. That's got to suck. You have my sympathy.

what oim doismoissoin' & judgoin' are false effoirts - coimoin' froim here; me soituation, poisoition, oindangered human roights, freedoim of moivement ois broiught upoin froim state of Serboia and oinstead of foixoin' what the mess they oinoitoially created, foir years oi hear false proimoises and no real actions; and meself, respected proisoiner.. persoinal actions oimpoised by captoivoity, yeah.. actions are a matter of free woill, not an oinstrument to avoid moire jaoiltoime; so even the stuff oi'll have to do oin the future, to step on the foirst broick of the road to Eroin.. they're not actions of a free man.

The only false efforts are efforts that were not taken. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Indulge in moaning and excuses searching - nice sublimation of slavish psychology..

[The Hog]

Hello OIroioish,

Well if you'd give anything as you say you would to be able to go and tour countries around th e world as I have done/am doing and get "hogged up" as you put it, then apart from finding it so difficult to get a band formed for such a long time then personally I think I would just "go it alone" and get out of Serbia, as you said yourself, Serbia is not a great place for finding "Irish" muscians, or even Irish influenced, the best thing to do to closer realizing your dream of "escaping" that jail, is leave Serbia.
Now I understand about needing a visa etc,etc, but it's just that so many people come to Ireland from other countires that are surely way more difficult to get out of and an awful lot farther away (i mean continents away). They are able to get here all the same and it must be very hard, just goes to show what a very determined person can do if they REALLY,REALLY WANT IT!
I just hope this bit of advice can help/inspire/motivate you to take the next step. I'm positive you will be able to find lots of like minded musicians over here in western europe who are also wanting to assemble a new band, you just need to GET HERE!
Ok, well let me know what you think about what I ave said and if you agree, its such a pity to let the years go by, year after year and still no fucking results, this means you need to change tactics because the old way (remaining in Serbia) and hoping things will one come together just is'nt happening.
Ok, well must go, have a think about what 've said and really give it some serious thought. I cant think of any other advice to give really, ever see the old movie clips of people from the former east Germany risking their lives climbing barbed wire and tunnelling underneath the wall in order to get away from the place they saw as "jail" (much as you descibe your situation) in order to have a better life in the west, well just makes me think about your situation, you are dying to get out of Serbia...........how much do you really want to get out?.
Ok, hope this was helpful to you. Dont continue wasting your time there if you really want to get out, just make a decision and follow through with it.

Regards,

Michael "The Hog"

[jennylois]

Hey OIrish, how's your guitar playing coming on?

[IrishRover]

Hey OIrish, how's your guitar playing coming on?

thanks foir askoin' Jenny;
well, oim pushoin' oit, tois' loike pooir Paddy woirkoin' on the raoilway, loits of doiggoin' to see the results; 1 mointh of practoise so far oim harsh judge toiwards me oiwn woirk - what coimes oiut has to be furious, or tois' woirthless! oim oin good doirection woith soime songs - loike Doirty Oild Toiwn, Aoisloing.. they're already soiundoin' noice and woith soime moire poiloishoin', oi thoink they'll be even ready foir loive perfoirmance! oi hope to get a doigoital camera sooin so oi'll make soime voideos of hoiw oi do these songs, lookoin' foirward to hear yer oimpressions; oin the oither hand, theres songs oi soimply have a very hard toime to pull oiut the roight soiund that oi want to hear, oi guess oit woill take moire toime & practoise foir thoise.. practoise, practoise, practoise as Philip says; & also moire woirmoing throigh guoitar theoiry and ways of playoin';

oi do everythoing solo, self-learnoin', no OIroish musoic teachers here, sent 1 e-maoil enquoiry foir lessoins, but oi guess when oi tell em' oi wanna do OIroish musoic of OIreland, not "OIroish musoic of Serboia".. and woith request to practoise on the songs that oi need to perfoirm.. they doin't even boither to reply; goies to extreme the oignoirance of OIroish musoic here.. to the point that woirst of poseurs 'n' rednecks Serb "bands", coipycats of OIroish musoic soiunds woith coimplete lack of essence, attoitude and real OIroishness are so easoily by Serb medoias presented as musoic of OIreland; where half of the poipulations voites pro-nazoi, oi guess noithoin' shoiuld coime as a surproise

[IrishRover]

hello Michael,
oi agree woith ye; oi mean, tois' true, Serboia ois noithoin' moire than a jaoilplace to me(even me next lyroics coillection ois fully under oinfluence of oimproisoinment days); all that oi do here ois predestoined to end up oin Serboian mud; froim 2005. oi had doizens of candoidates foir the Crew, but noine of em' was OIroish oir genuoinly OIroish spoiroited/oinfluenced, so no oine here to be foiund foir the Crew who woiuld actually loive the loife of an OIroish, oin punkhooid, hoiggoin', whatever the phrase may be; even what Serbs proimoite here as musoic of OIreland are Serb bands woith noithoin' moire but a coipycat soiund and absoilute lack of the real deal, OIroish ways 'n' musoic phoiloisoihphoies oincoirpoirated oin loife; oi have no oillusions whatsoever that oi woill foind Paddy musoicoians here, oi learned that throiugh several years of attempts to buoild an OIroish stoiry woith non-OIroish musoicoians.. thats the truth, oits always hard to accept the bad realoity, but oi guess oi have to looik the truth oin the eyes, thanks foir remoindoing me of oit, oit ois bad stuff foir me to have any false hoipes whatsoever; oit just doesn't woirk, no goild doies ever coime oiut froim the mud, thats the sad fact oi had to learn the hard way; so even all the ads foir musoicoians goiven oin recent toime, as foir Serboia candoidates, oi expect noithoing(oits hard to admoit oit but thats the case); a mointh ago, oi started to learn guoitar, solo, and tois' woirkoin' oiut, sloiwly but oi already knoiw to play soime songs! and whats moire oimpoirtant, oim sure oi'll keep the learnt skoill oinstead of wastoin' me precious toime on Serboian candoidates; noithoin' here foir me any moire; ESCAPE the jaoil ois the oinly way ahead !

the real DREAM(me musoic stoiry, people, loife) foir me ois oiutta Serboia, no doiubt at all aboiut that, the PROIBLEM are the ways, the means to jump froim a jaoil to a dream - froim a place loike Serboia to OIreland; and oi REALLY, REALLY WANT to moive; oi have extreme woish but the blooidy realoity koinda koicks the arse of me burnoing woish; at thois' point when oi looik at oit, oit seems feckoin' messed up, toime doistanced quest; why do oi say so.. heres a glance to me jaoilsoime realoity, oi woill have to go throiugh these foirced actions just as pre-coindoitions of me gettoing anywhere:
-gettoin' Serboian passpoirt; foir that oi'll need to be proicessed woithoin' Serb army - that means that oi'll be able to take a passport but oi'll have to do 9 moinths of coivoiloian servoice(slavery) to state of Serboia befoire or after takoin' the passpoirt; gettoin' oiut, woith passpoirt, woith no slavery doine, roisks beeoin' arrested at the aoirpoirt on return
-even woith Serboian passpoirt, oit ois woirthless woithoiut a voisa - voisas, oif oim goiven oine ois foir toiuroists and they're oissued foir a few weeks stay or few moinths at best whoich woiuld mean oid have to go back to Serboia after expoiry, oit woiuldn't mean permanent stay
Whatever the case, even thoise pre-coindoitions seem as numeroius moinths of further captoivoity oin Serboia and the very exoistance of such foirced actions add to me burdens.
There are "moiddle-soilutions", but they're not really gettoin' me to OIreland. Foir example, oif oi foinoish me coillege(8 moire exams) oi was oiffered a well payoin' joib oin Prague, Czech Republoic, thats stoill oin the table as oiffer... Good question ois also, of payoin' me loivoing costs, at foirst tois' hard to oimagoine that oi'll earn enoigh by playoin' musoic oinly.. thois' oin the oinly joib oiffer oi got so far;
Theres oine moire moiddle soilution, loiw chance, but askoin' foir a passpoirt froim oine nearby coiuntry.. woith oit oid need no voisas foir travelloin' abroiad up to 3 moinths, but chances foir gettoin' that passpoirt are very sloim.

Oit all looiks pretty fucked up, no oinstant soilution foir me to get quoickly oiutta jaoil.
Oi'll do whatever oit takes, oi mean what else can oi do, tois' just beeoin' oiver me head to be stuck oin chaoins and need to carry em' foir moire just oin oirder to be pre-loiberated. What really hurts me ois that oi can't be oin OIreland noiw, that me exact arroival ois "to be at soime point", that oi stoill need to be oin chaoins of Serboian system.

[jennylois]

Oirish, I can relate to what you're saying about being hard on yourself. I am very hard on myself regarding my art, and I'm hardly ever fully happy with what I do, even when others say my work is good (which I love to hear of course) it's ultimately what I think that matters. I think it pushes me to keep striving and getting better. Only I know what I am looking for, the image in my head doesn't always match what is on the canvas! I struggle and berate myself and have tantrums over it. Music is similar to art when it comes to knowing what you want to achieve, and having the ability to do it. Only you know the exact sound you are trying to achieve, and you have to keep going until it happens. And I'm sure that with your passion, you will be getting better all the time. It's very hard to put your work out into the public eye, exposing your guts for everyone to see and have an opinion about. The work I'm planning now is not going to be pleasing to most I think, but I'm going to do what I have to do anyway. So keep it up OIrish! Your passion will get you there (and eventually to Ireland as well!).

[The Hog]

OIroioish,

Well it certainly may not be as easy to get out of Serbia as in the rest of western europe but I am looking at your situation from a different perspective and of course everyone is different in their strengths & weaknesses and from the way people approach problems and how they deal with problems.......each person might have a different way in dealing with problems,trauma's,crisi's, etc.

"The end justifies the means" is a phrase often used here and there with people for getting results in life, although I would'nt apply this anecdote in all areas of life, but I see you HAVE a way of getting your visa but its just you dont want to seem to do it.
For me and personally speaking I would just go and go through the state and do the 8 or 9 monts in the Serbian security forces/army, it is not a very long time if you think about it, why not look at it as your strategy for "escaping your Serbain jail"??????? dont be thinking about the visa part of it and the negative side of only "getting 3 months" out of jail...........when you get here to Ireland then you can deal with the next problem, why not take it 1 step at a time????? First go through the state, do the 8/9 months in the service, keep focused on "the Prize" at the end of the 8/9 months and the "Huge Rewards" of getting out of Serbia and getting to your "Spiritual Homeland" (Ireland).....................Christ, I can honestly tell you that if I was you, I would do it, its just that simple
If you go for the Czech Republic option, you must not try to earn money as a musicain in the very beginning.......we have another saying here in Ireland - "you must crawl before you can walk", again, its taking it step by painful step but you eventually get there if YOU ARE FOCUSED. Just depends on how much and how badly you really want something.
The other option which for me would not be an option at all , would be to just sit there in "your jail" and lament your plight but no matter how much you will complain, it is like "pissing into the wind".
Again I hpe you can get some wisdom out of what I have said here and that it will help and motivate you to get up and take a stand and make a DECISION and have a "goal" in your sights and "blow those cobwebs" off your eyes.
I just hope what I have told you can be helpful for you.

Michael